Recently, we have published many issues on science and enlightenment: this topic has experienced a real boom against the backdrop of lockdown - it seems that there have never been so many podcasts, lectures and other scientific and educational content. However, the publisher of the popular science portal "N + 1" Andrey Konyaev believes that the educators failed, because all this time they were not talking about what turned out to be necessary. We discussed this idea with Andrey and another popularizer of science, biologist Alexander Panchin.

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